Copywriting, development, and the email marketing industry. I'm your host's friend, rachel black. Delivery is brought to you by litmus - the only platform professionals trust to help you email with confidence every time. Over 600,000 marketers use litmus tools to create, test and analyze better email campaigns faster. Visit litmus.Com to start your free 7-day trial of litmus and start sending better emails today. Be sure to subscribe to delivering on itunes or spotify to listen to future episodes and join the conversation on twitter using the hashtag Jason rodriguez : actually, I think you did it better than I normally do. Impressive. Thanks rachel. So yes, I have, for everyone listening, I have my friend rachel black here. We've known each other, my god, since high school. So, I mean, I don't want to age us too much but continue 20 years here. But yeah, I, for anyone company mailing list who listened, have tried to talk to people outside of the email marketing industry and get their thoughts on email. So, I guess I have to give it a name or something, so maybe I'll start calling it "Friends on email" or something, some sort of series for that. But you're kind of, you're, I guess you're my second email friend that I have, other than my wife. So, I clearly don't have many friends but it's fine. That's all, that's all everyone needs. I'm just going to get your brains on email marketing and how you think about the things that we generally care about in the industry, but I'm curious how you, as a regular consumer, how you think about email. Rachel black : am I ready? Jason rodriguez : cool. Agreed. So, to get started: what email client or email app do you use to read your emails? Rachel black : so like gmail, is that what you mean? Jason rodriguez : yeah, that's one of them. Yes. Rachel black : I use gmail. This is my main personal question. And then I've had a hotmail account since I was 19 that I still have, hotmail too. Jason rodriguez : nice. Are you comfortable sharing your hotmail email address? Rachel black